1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,920 What do you think is going on here? 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,240 Extreme evil that really wants to hurt me. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,240 I felt it grab me around my neck. 4 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:21,760 It squeezed me so tight I couldn't breathe. 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,760 I think it's something that's been invited in. 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,760 She's been worth it. 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,760 How are you now? 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Why don't you come down here now? 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Did you hear that? 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,760 Katrina, what's going on in here? 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,760 Come on, you coward. 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Last live. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,760 Give us a sign of your presence now. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,760 Katrina behind you. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,760 My name is Ryan and I'm a paranormal investigator. 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,760 When I was a kid, my experiences with the supernatural terrified me. 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,760 I've been searching for answers ever since. 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,760 So when I got to Penn State, I realized I wasn't alone in my quest. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,760 So I founded the Paranormal Research Society, 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,760 dedicated to helping those who were haunted like I was. 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,760 We are students. 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,760 We are seekers. 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,760 And sometimes we're warriors. 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,760 Any time we help someone, I feel like I'm one step closer to finding the truth. 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,760 This is Paranormal State. 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,760 We're here at the beach in Delaware. 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,760 I have to say this is a very peculiar kind of case, 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,760 involving a woman named Deborah, her husband Gil, their daughter Taylor. 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,760 They've never had any paranormal experiences until they moved into this house. 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,760 And it wasn't until a couple months later that suddenly stuff started to manifest. 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,760 The whole family has experienced movement of objects. 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,760 They claim that everyone would be in our room together. 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,760 And also they'd see a popery ball just fly and hit the TV 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,760 or in the general area where they can see it. 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,760 So what we're going to do is we're going to hook up the entire house 36 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,760 with as much technology as possible to see if we can document this phenomenon. 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Hello. 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,760 Hi Gil. Nice to finally meet you. I'm Ryan. 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,760 You spoke on the phone. Hi Debbie. 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,760 What's been going on up here? 41 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,760 I was straightening this up and I looked down. 42 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,760 There was the biggest crow or raven or whatever. 43 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,760 And it was huge. It was the hugest black. 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:42,760 You never see ravens around here? 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:43,760 No. Seagulls. 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,760 It was looking up at me and I hit the window like that and it fluttered up. 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,760 It went away. 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Then this is where I was laying and something literally I felt it grab me around my neck 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,760 and squeezing me so tight I couldn't breathe. 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,760 And I was trying to say something. 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,760 I was trying to holler for him. 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Anybody who ever could hear me. 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,760 And I was just saying, you know, like who the hell are you anyway? 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,760 What do you want from me? 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:14,760 And it finally, I guess it answered me in my ear in this low growling of a voice. 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,760 Malfas. 57 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,760 But I don't know. That means anything. 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,760 What has happened here in the living room kitchen area? 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,760 I've been struck by Popa Ray. 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Sitting on the couch one night. 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,760 These Popa Reballs, they fly and hit you. 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,760 It just comes from behind. 63 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,760 If you're sitting in here, it'll come from behind and it'll hit you. 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,760 This is the bright yellow ones like that. 65 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Right. 66 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,760 And we hear them in the hallway. 67 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,760 You know, it'd be like a... 68 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,760 More watching TV at night. 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,760 And I get up and I say, what was that? 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,760 I go in and sure enough, there's a Popa Reball in there. 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:49,760 There's nobody there. 72 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,760 And we're all here. 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,760 And it's like you hear these things and there's nothing when you go to look. 74 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,760 There's nothing. 75 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,760 Nothing there. 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,760 When we first had the Popa Reballs out there flying around, 77 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,760 we all slept here. 78 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,760 We're in this bed. 79 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:05,760 All in this one bed. 80 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:06,760 This door was closed. 81 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Scared. 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,760 And out of the darkness, a Popa Reball hit over there. 83 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,760 On the headboard. 84 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Things are not funny anymore. 85 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 You might want to laugh at the Popa Re sometimes because it's strange. 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,760 But you know, when you're pressed down in the bed or when you're being choked, 87 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,760 it's not funny anymore. 88 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Hey, Doug. 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,760 This is why we're here, okay? 90 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,760 You guys moved in in 2005, right? 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Yes. 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,760 What was the first thing that started happening where you guys were like, 93 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,760 you know, something's not right here? 94 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,760 When the Popa Reballs started flying around the house, 95 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,760 that's when we realized this thing can actually move things. 96 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,760 And I've kept this Popa Re for over three years because I was scared to get rid of it. 97 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,760 If I got rid of that, then what else is it going to throw? 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:16,760 So you're worried it would escalate? 99 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,760 So something like a harder object? 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:19,760 A knife. 101 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,760 A knife? 102 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,760 What do you think is going on here? 103 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,760 I think there's something evil, extreme evil, that really wants to hurt. 104 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,760 It wants to hurt me in particular. 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,760 And I don't know why. 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,760 What happens if we can't get rid of what's here? 107 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,760 You know, I haven't let myself go there since you contacted us and said you were coming. 108 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:50,760 Because before you did, I was in such a state of mind that I thought I was going to lose my mind. 109 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,760 I'm so scared right now. 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Yeah, I can see that. 111 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,760 I just got to the point that I can't think that you're not going to get rid of it. 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,760 You have to. 113 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,760 I just say that God doesn't give you any more than you can handle. 114 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,760 I'm at my limit. 115 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,760 I can't go anymore. 116 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,760 Hey Lorraine. 117 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,760 Very good. 118 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Oh my. 119 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,760 Thank God. 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Don't feel good in this house. 121 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,760 So you think there's something bad here? 122 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:38,760 I don't know about this. 123 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,760 Are you thinking about a spiritual presence? 124 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,760 I think it's something beyond a spiritual presence. 125 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:56,760 There is a physical weakness. 126 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,760 There's something wrong with somebody health-wise. 127 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,760 I don't know what that has to do with the case, but that's what I've picked up on it. 128 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,760 It has a negative feeling to me. 129 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,760 It doesn't seem like a ghost. 130 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,760 It doesn't seem like the disembodied spirit of a once-living person. 131 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,760 So what do you think it is? 132 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,760 I think it's something that's been invited in. 133 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,760 What do you think brought it in here? 134 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,760 That's what we were trying to figure out. 135 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,760 We can't figure out whatever it was that came in here. 136 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Do y'all have any questions for Lorraine? 137 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,760 What about the name I heard? 138 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,760 She didn't hear the name. 139 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,760 Why don't you tell her the name? 140 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,760 Malfas. 141 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Malfas. 142 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,760 That's what it said in my ear. 143 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,760 She said it was like Malfas. 144 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,760 It was deep. 145 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,760 I can't. 146 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Like a deep, gut-throat voice. 147 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,760 It's what you're saying. 148 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:58,760 What's that mean? 149 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,760 Does it mean anything? 150 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Is it a word? 151 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,760 I don't know, dear. 152 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,760 Hey, Ryan, when you get a chance, can I talk to you really quickly? 153 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,760 Just be a minute. 154 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,760 Less than a minute. 155 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,760 Excuse me. 156 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Do you want me? 157 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Sure. 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,760 We just give us one second, guys. 159 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,760 Hi, Malfas. 160 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,760 Malfas is a mighty great president, a prince to some authors of hell. 161 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:36,760 He is depicted as a crow that after a while, or under request, changes shape into a man 162 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,760 and speaks with a horse voice. 163 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Oh my god. 164 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Interesting last night. 165 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:58,760 Apparently, Deborah saw a black crow and she heard some sort of entity when she said, 166 00:08:58,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Who are you? 167 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,760 What do you want here? 168 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:07,760 And it gave her the name Malfas, which according to your research suggests that it is a demonic name 169 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,760 that kind of fits with what she saw. 170 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,760 It's a very interesting coincidence, but there's something not right about this case. 171 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,760 If we look at the phenomena that's going on, movement of objects, things being thrown at them, 172 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:27,760 apportation, very typical PK phenomena, psychokinesis, or poltergeist activity. 173 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,760 So I mean, it's a theory that I'm starting to look into. 174 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,760 But we still need to do our homework just to make sure. 175 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:37,760 How long did she live there? 176 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:38,760 17 months. 177 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:44,760 And did she ever mention any unusual activity that ever happened in her home? 178 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,760 No, no, never ever said anything. 179 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,760 She would have said something. 180 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,760 I mean, she wasn't one to get an upward opinion to herself. 181 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Does that make sense? 182 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:53,760 Yeah, yeah. 183 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,760 She would have let me know loud and clear. 184 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,760 What about in the area, if any unusual activity happened with the neighbors? 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,760 No, I knew the neighbors would have said something, because I knew them pretty well from outside of that neighborhood. 186 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,760 They've had no prior claims of paranormal activity. 187 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Nobody who's lived there has had any claims of paranormal activity. 188 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,760 So why is it suddenly ramping up? 189 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Typically, demonic phenomena can resemble poltergeist phenomena. 190 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,760 Sometimes it's very similar. 191 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Do they ever mix? 192 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:29,760 Yeah, they mix. 193 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,760 They can mix. 194 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,760 But my worry is that is this something psychokinetic? 195 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,760 In other words, are they the key as to why the phenomena is building up? 196 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:48,760 There's usually some sort of change, physiological change, some sort of trauma or emotion that usually triggers psychokinetic energy. 197 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,760 So y'all were living in the other town, and why did you move here? 198 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,760 It's just not a good neighborhood to raise a child. 199 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,760 There was drugs moved in there, and there was a child molester that moved in. 200 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Taylor was shot with a BB gun. 201 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:17,760 A 17-year-old boy had been laying across his bed with the gun, went through the screen. 202 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Mr. the first time, he was aiming for her temple. 203 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,760 And our cop says if he had hit her in the temple, he would have killed her. 204 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Luckily, he didn't. 205 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,760 He went through her hair and her bangs, and the other one got her in the neck. 206 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,760 And I told Gil, I said, you know, we really have to get this house, so we got to get out of here. 207 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:36,760 Yeah. 208 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,760 So is there any other stress going on in your life right now? 209 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Yeah, see, I've got a womanly thing going on. 210 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,760 I'm assuming you're referring to menopause, right? 211 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Yes. 212 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:52,760 When did that start? 213 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Last summer. 214 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,760 Can it be psychokinetic? 215 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,760 It could be poltergeist activity. 216 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:11,760 If there is someone in the house going through puberty and having episodes of hostility, frustration. 217 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,760 What about someone going through menopause? 218 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:22,760 I've worked on two cases where a menopausal woman had the same identical type of phenomena occur. 219 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,760 The movement of objects, the whole thing. 220 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,760 So yes, that's a very strong possibility. 221 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Menopause, I think it is a lot less talked about. 222 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:40,760 But you've got someone who's going through this change, which can explain some of the psychokinetics, the deportation of objects, 223 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,760 stuff that almost sounds like classic poltergeist. 224 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:43,760 Yeah. 225 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,760 But with all the other crazy stuff, I wonder if that isn't stirring other things up locally. 226 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,760 You mean like a lighthouse for other things to come in? 227 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Yeah, like a nexus. 228 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,760 It sounds like she's becoming kind of a classic nexus just on the way out of puberty. 229 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,760 Director's log. 230 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:07,760 If Deborah is the center and caused the psychokinetic activity, then including her in dead time might give us the proof we need. 231 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Hey, father. 232 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Good to see you again. 233 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Good to see you too. 234 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:16,760 In case a demonic force has been invited into her home, Father Bob Bailey will be joining me as well. 235 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Okay, like this? 236 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,760 This is like the right side? 237 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,760 That looks about right. 238 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Because the subconscious mind can play a part in peak activity, and Deborah has been attacked during her sleep, 239 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,760 Katrina will try a new lucid dreamy experiment to test this theory. 240 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Essentially, every five minutes, it will give you a red light for about a second, 241 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,760 which is supposed to kind of wake you up so you're able to consciously dream. 242 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,760 If you're here, please give us a sign of your presence. 243 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,760 You've been known to throw around potpourri. 244 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,760 So please do so now. Throw one at me. 245 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,760 I'm standing right here. 246 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,760 I command you now to make a sign of your presence. 247 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,760 I bind you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 248 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,760 And I command you to make your presence known. 249 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,760 You must give us a sign of your presence now. 250 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Or are you afraid? 251 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,760 Or are you powerless? 252 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,760 Come on, you coward. 253 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,760 You do it. We're here alone. 254 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,760 Not strong enough now. 255 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Surge house Katrina, do it. 256 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,760 She just actually moved right when you asked that. 257 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Deb, you haven't said a word. 258 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,760 I don't understand why now that there's people here, 259 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,760 why nothing, nothing after all this time, nothing. 260 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,760 All this time. 261 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,760 Deb, you understand that you're very upset, but now's not the time to despair. 262 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,760 It's time for you to put some oomph in those words now. 263 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,760 And tell it to get it down here. 264 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,760 And where the hell are you now? Why don't you come down here now? 265 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,760 Tuck, did you hear that? 266 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,760 It was nice. It came full of it. 267 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:34,760 What was the noise? 268 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:35,760 I heard it. 269 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,760 I didn't hear anything. 270 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:37,760 I did. 271 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:38,760 It was loud. 272 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,760 I heard it. 273 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,760 Guys, whatever that was, it sounded like it was in the room with me. 274 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:45,760 Okay. 275 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Hey, Ryan, can you go check on Katrina in the master bedroom? 276 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Hey, what's going on? 277 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,760 When I heard something, I thought something hit the camera, 278 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,760 but I'm like, maybe it's just the film running out. 279 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,760 And when I got up, that was on the floor. 280 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,760 Holy s***. 281 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,760 So what do we have here? 282 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:18,760 All right. 283 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,760 This is Katrina and this is Deb. 284 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,760 Deb's fairly emotional at this point. 285 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,760 And then as far as trying to pinpoint when this thing apported, 286 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,760 the only thing we can really go by is if we believe that they make some sort of sound 287 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,760 when something gets apported in. 288 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,760 And so there's a moment right here. 289 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Now what the hell do you know? 290 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,760 What did you go building with that? 291 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,760 We hear a clicking sound that came from the master bedroom. 292 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,760 And we know that it's not from the hallway because the hallway recorder didn't pick anything up. 293 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:54,760 Okay. 294 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,760 Unfortunately, where the popper apported was over in here. 295 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Really? 296 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Right? 297 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,760 Yeah. 298 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,760 I thought it was a little bit closer, like right here or something. 299 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,760 It's just off-screen or regardless. 300 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,760 Oh yeah, like right here? 301 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Yeah. 302 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,760 Honestly, it's a mystery to us how that... 303 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,760 POPRIBALL got there. 304 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,760 If she's emotional and she has PK phenomenon, 305 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,760 then she could be causing something to go on in the other room. 306 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,760 Deb, no one's saying you came into this room and said, 307 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,760 POPRIBALL, go Katrina. 308 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,760 Yeah, no one's saying Katrina. 309 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,760 But it was completely quiet in this house. 310 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,760 And then the only bit of phenomena we ever got during dead time 311 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,760 was when you were shouting a little bit and you were getting very emotional. 312 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,760 And emotion plays a very big part in this. 313 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,760 And what's most important is the fact that the door was closed. 314 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,760 Because that means that there's apportation. 315 00:17:53,760 --> 00:18:00,760 That is classic poltergeist phenomena when something is able to go through a wall. 316 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,760 So I could cause that and not even know that I'd do it. 317 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,760 It's not conscious. 318 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,760 Director's log. 319 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,760 I've asked Parasite College's Dr. David Frederick to meet with the clients 320 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,760 and help address any underlying emotional issues that may be feeding into this phenomena. 321 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Alright, Doc. So that was pretty long. 322 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,760 Yeah, well, she told me that neighborhood degraded tremendously. 323 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,760 They ended up, they had gangs there. 324 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,760 They had this episode with this young man shooting Taylor with a BB gun stalking her. 325 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,760 As I was thinking about this, I said to them, 326 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:51,760 if there is one feeling that you felt you had as a result of those past experiences for Deb, 327 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:52,760 what would it be? 328 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,760 And she said, anger. 329 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Then I said to Gil, if there was one thing, what would it be that you would have? 330 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,760 And he said it was regret and guilt because he had brought them to this place 331 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,760 and it turned out to be a nightmare. 332 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:12,760 And I said to Taylor, if there was one emotion that you felt you still have that you brought with you, 333 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,760 she said fear. 334 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,760 So anger, regret and fear? 335 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,760 Anger, regret and fear are the three evils that can attract negative energy. 336 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:22,760 Sure. 337 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,760 This is not an answer. This is just an observation. 338 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Looking at your case, I thought it was two things. 339 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,760 Poltergeist phenomena or demonic phenomena? 340 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,760 Now, having said that, everything that's been going on in this house doesn't seem to match up with 341 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,760 one negative entity or a couple negative entities that are doing this. 342 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,760 When you look at the phenomena, it always seems to tie back to you. 343 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,760 And I wanted to be very clear on something, Deborah. 344 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,760 It's not your fault. 345 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,760 You have some very traumatic events that happened in your previous home and you came in here with that. 346 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,760 And then there were some changes within yourself. 347 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Well, that's just, it's the perfect storm. 348 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,760 The good news is that the storm clouds do clear away when it comes to this stuff. 349 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,760 There are some things to control this. 350 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,760 One, you can't let yourself get worked up when this stuff happens. 351 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,760 I know that's easier said than done, but these outbursts only make things get worse. 352 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,760 Right. 353 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Final Director's Log. 354 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:40,760 The exact relationship between psychokinesis and hormones is still being studied by paranormal researchers. 355 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:46,760 But one lesson I've learned on this case is that we should never underestimate the power of the subconscious mind. 356 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Thank you for the gift step. 357 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:49,760 Welcome, baby. 358 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,760 And keep in touch. 359 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,760 And while that can be frightening, I'm hoping that for Deborah, you can also be empowering. 360 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,760 Bye, guys. 361 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Bye. 362 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Thank you.